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Sens Talk / Re: Alfredsson won't be returning to Ottawa......
« on: July 09, 2013, 04:40:11 PM »
Elliote Friedman wrote that that his agent was asking for a 6 million dollar deal, and maybe 2 years ($12 million?)... Murray said it was unfair as they would be dinged next season when he retired, and countered with a 1 year in the 4 million range.


Link
http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/nhl/story/2013/07/07/sp-nhl-friedman-daniel-alfredsson-ottawa-senators-negotiations.html


The worst thing I can say is that Alfie really didn't grasp, or care, what he meant to this franchise and city. Did he address the fans or anything once yet? Thanks for the memories etc... Instead it just seems like he can't get out of here fast enough.


All I can hope (Other Than Ottawa winning the cup) is that in some way Ottawa is responsible for knocking Detroit out of the playoffs.
Alfie asking for six million (the two year term was dropped by Alfie in that initial negotiation) and Ottawa offered four.  But that was a week before free agency began and Murray and Alfie's agent never talked again.  Which really makes me wonder why Murray didn't pick up the phone after that. 

As fans we can be upset at Daniel Alfredsson all we like, but it took two sides to let the negotiations break down and allow this to happen.  Murray/Melnyk made a business decision not to up their offer to Alfie for next year.  After all the below market value contracts and never testing the market to get maximum dollar when he was in his prime, I can't say I blame Alfie for being pissed off at a low ball offer.  His agent getting no further calls from Murray makes it seem the initial offer was a 'take it or leave it' proposition; he left it.  Alfie made a personal decision to sign with a contending team for very close to the six million he was asking for.  After leaving money on the table many times to be loyal to the team over the years, I can't blame him for wanting to cash out and get his market value on what may have been the final contract of his career.

The Alfredsson era in Ottawa is over folks, time to move on.  But I think to place the blame for this solely on Alfie is unfair.  He could have asked for market value years ago, not helped out the team when it was bankrupt in 2003, insisted in renegotiating last year instead of playing out his contract for a million dollars.  But if he had chosen any of those paths,  he probably would not have been a Senator this past season and may have moved on years ago.

So from this fan to Alfie, 'good luck in your quest for the Stanley Cup and thanks for the memories'. But I will be cheering for Ottawa to beat you every time and am going to laugh my ass off if the Senators go deeper in the playoffs than your team does!

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Sens Talk / Re: Alfredsson won't be returning to Ottawa......
« on: July 09, 2013, 04:25:40 PM »
Then suddenly the guy leaves for the "cup contender"...Detroit? Boston, Pittsburgh, and Chicago are all much more realistic cup contenders than Detroit.
While Boston, Pittsburgh, and Chicago may be serious contenders for the Cup, none of them has the cap space to pay Alfie $5.5-million next year.  With the addition of Alfredsson and Weiss I wouldn't write the Red Wings off as Cup contenders next year.  They almost dumped Chicago in this years playoffs.  Alfie replaces Cleary and Weiss upgrades Detroit's second line center spot.  Won't surprise me if Detroit not only make the playoffs, but go on a run.


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Sens Talk / Re: Bobby Ryan a Senator
« on: July 08, 2013, 04:04:52 PM »
That makes more sense.  If they sign Alfie they don't need MacArthur.

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Sens Talk / Re: Bobby Ryan a Senator
« on: July 08, 2013, 12:52:47 PM »
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I don't think Ryan would have fit in Ottawa's budget if Alfie had re-signed here.


If that is true then we should probably get used to Ottawa being a low budget team that will not truly contend until Melnyk opens his wallet or the Senators have a new owner that will.



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Sens Talk / Re: Joe Corvo Back
« on: July 08, 2013, 12:49:00 PM »
$900,000 for one year.   Maybe MacLean can cut down on the "uh-oh" Corvo moments.




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Sens Talk / Re: Bobby Ryan a Senator
« on: July 05, 2013, 04:45:14 PM »
What's it going to take to get Ryan signed long term?  I agree that giving that much up will hurt if Ryan walks in two years.
Wonder if Alfie would have signed in Ottawa if this trade had happened yesterday :icon_hiding2:

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Sens Talk / Re: Sens sign Clarke MaCarthur....
« on: July 05, 2013, 04:38:06 PM »
Yes Ottawa is rich in prospects, but not quite as rich now that four of them are gone.   Still don't like over paying for a third liner.

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Sens Talk / Re: Sens sign Clarke MaCarthur....
« on: July 05, 2013, 02:59:44 PM »
$3.25 million per year for this guy?  Must be Murray trying to say he did something.  So far Ottawa has lost Alfie, Regin, and Benoit and overpaid a third liner like MacArthur.  This is not how you build organizational depth.

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Sens Talk / Re: Official: Alfredsson back for another year
« on: July 05, 2013, 12:58:03 PM »
It's official.  Alfie signed a one year $5.5-million deal and is now a Detroit Red Wing  :shock:

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Sens Talk / Re: Official: Alfredsson back for another year
« on: July 04, 2013, 01:27:30 PM »
Both teams in Ottawa's division next year.  It would be strange to see Alfie in a visitors uniform when playing in Ottawa.  Wonder if he has ever been in the visitors dressing room at the Palladium.


Considering everything Alfie has done for the Senators and the city, I hope Murray just gives Alfie what he deserves and gets this done before tomorrow.


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Sens Talk / Re: MacLean Extended
« on: July 04, 2013, 01:21:29 PM »
Just saw this on my Sens RSS feed.   Certainly is good news, bet he got a raise to go with that Jack Adams trophy.

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Sens Talk / Re: Official: Alfredsson back for another year
« on: July 03, 2013, 05:10:19 PM »

Boston has contacted Alfredsson and he and Chiarelli had a long conversation.

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=426856


Here's hoping Murray gets a deal done before Friday to keep Alfie in Ottawa.

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Anything But Hockey / Re: First ever website restored
« on: May 14, 2013, 03:16:25 PM »
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Nowadays, yes. But back then, I don't think the suffixes were assigned by country quite yet, especially not the first one ever. [/size]

Actually these ISO country codes were made part of ISO 3166 in 1974 and were widely used in other applications before the internet and world wide web were developed.  After the advent of the internet 3166 was divided into three parts and now part 3166-1 contains these codes.   They became widely published in 1997, before that you had to know where to look.


The fact I know this and remember having to write to the ISO to get updated copies prior to 1997 makes me somewhat dated. 


Seeing that first web site again is definitely a trip down memory lane.

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Sens Talk / Re: Jared Cowen Back At Practice
« on: April 16, 2013, 02:15:24 PM »

Cowen makes his return tonight against the Hurricanes.

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=420902

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Sens Talk / Re: Time to move Anderson..
« on: February 14, 2013, 06:30:45 PM »
With their two best players out Ottawa's goal tending is going to get shelled for the next while.  Leave Lehner in Bingo for now and let a veteran who won't get their confidence shattered by that shelling take the brunt of it. 


The time to move a goalie is at the deadline or at the draft.   I expect that will either be Bishop (if he is not going to sign his qualifying offer) or Anderson.  Either way I expect Lehner will be in Ottawa next year looking to prove that he deserves a one way deal for his next contract.


Wanting to make a knee jerk trade because of the Karlsson and Spezza injuries is not dealing from a position of strength.  No matter which goalie they try to deal, other GM's will not make top offers for these guys right now if they think Murray is make a deal out of desperation.


The Senators finally have solid goal tending and depth at the position, let's not mess up a good thing that Senators fans have waited so long to be able to say.

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Sens Talk / Re: Matt Cooke won’t be suspended for hit on Erik Karlsson
« on: February 14, 2013, 06:20:24 PM »

Sasquatch I have to disagree. Watch the way Cooke straightens his knee to drive his skate down into Karlsson's calf.  That to me is the difference between the slew foot by Subban and the play last night.  The slew foot is a sweeping motion to knock the guys legs out from behind (still a dirty and dangerous play).  Cooke does not try to sweep Karlsson's feet out, he straightens his knee to stomp the skate blade down into Karlsson's calf.  When I used to referee that was defined as a distinct kicking motion and would have drawn a match penalty.

Much has been made in the press about Cooke looking away so it couldn't have been deliberate. Anyone who skates well knows that you do not have to be looking at something to direct your skate that way.  Maybe it's because so few of these TV bobble heads actually skate well that they think where he was looking is relevant. Or maybe it's because Cooke has supposedly cleaned up his act they are all jumping in to defend him.  To me it's just another star player taken out by a cheap shot from the dirtiest player in the league. 

As long as teams can take liberties like this with Ottawa's star players with no fear of retribution, we will see more injuries to Ottawa's best players.  Don't know about anyone else, but I miss Carkner and Konopka in Senators uniforms a little more today than I did yesterday.


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General Hockey Discussions / Re: World Juniors
« on: December 28, 2012, 11:15:24 PM »
Agree about Camara's hit, shouldn't have even been a penalty.  I'll be surprised if Lipon isn't suspended for at least two games.


Good come back win today, but if they have these lapses against the Russians or American's they'll have a much tougher time pulling out a win.

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General Hockey Discussions / Re: World Juniors
« on: December 28, 2012, 01:01:40 PM »
Best part of watching live at 4:30 is not having to avoid the results if you want to watch the rebroadcast  8)


That and can you ever got a lot done around the house when you start your day that early and don't have to go to work.

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Sens Talk / Re: Official: Alfredsson back for another year
« on: December 13, 2012, 04:19:14 PM »
Wouldn't that be next century Rose?  12-12-2112 will still be abbreviated as 12-12-12.


But on topic, Alfie turning 40 makes me think that this will be his last season (if there is a season).

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General Hockey Discussions / Re: Possible labor dispute this fall
« on: December 13, 2012, 04:16:17 PM »

According to the article at the link below agents in Europe are talking about teams preparing to lose their NHL players as early as next week.


http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-puck-daddy/european-hockey-teams-bracing-nhl-lockout-end-within-214215098--nhl.html


Maybe a glimmer of hope that they will save the season?


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