Topic: Redden says "No!"

[tibbo_44]

that whole off-season was retarded though when it came to Dmen.
Drury for 7? I think it was 7, now that is ridiculous! But I don't know, seems like a lot for someone who will get 30 goals tops. lol
only 500k more than redden though! lol

Drury brings alot more to the table then his 30 goals....

[playertobenamedlater]

I would not call 1M a home town discount, he wanted to stay on the Senators, and knew all what they were willing to offer/afford, so rather than running to the open market for the most cash he could get he simply agreed to the deal that saw him get a value at the low end of his market value.

??? If that's not a hometown discount, then what is? He took a million dollars less than he could have gotten elsewhere to stay with his team. No, not a hometown discount at all.

Who said he took a hometown discount? I don't think I have ever said that or that the team did. Muckler at the time didn't want to lose both Redden and Chara and players like McCabe and Jovanoski were signing for the same amount. Just because he signed an agreement and it hasn't worked out doesn't mean he should be, is like, or can be like those other players. It could be said for many other defensemen, but it is a silly argument that has not merit.

EVERYONE said he gave a hometown discount. I'm having a little trouble with your logic. Please explain to me how it's "silly" to expect a guy getting paid 6.5 million to play at the calibre of other players in his salary range, instead of playing like a # 5 or # 6 guy...

[Broken Bones]

??? If that's not a hometown discount, then what is? He took a million dollars less than he could have gotten elsewhere to stay with his team. No, not a hometown discount at all.

It could also be seen him having some common sense, staying with the team was the best choice in his mind as he knew where the team was headed, he had no questions about the skill and the future of the team, this would not be the case if he went elsewhere.

It is the lower down, desperate teams that make outlandish offers to players, so while the money looks good, the future for the player does not in the way of team success.

I don't call it a "home town discount", but rather common sense. A home town discount would be if he gave the team a HUGE deal, maybe signing between the 5-6 million mark rather than 6.5.

I look at it as I do my own job. I would rather earn a salary that I can survive on when the workplace is something I enjoy and the job is great, as oppose to making a huge salary in a job I hate.

[diehardsensfan!]

Redden said a few months back that he'd be willing to take a paycut...I think he'll keep his word...it seems like he really does want to stay in Ottawa.

[go_sens_go55555]

Redden said a few months back that he'd be willing to take a paycut...I think he'll keep his word...it seems like he really does want to stay in Ottawa.

But how much of a pay cut? Will he sign here at 2-3 million a year? I mean we thought corvo was overpriced at 2.5 and corvo and redden have been comparable this year. That means 2.5 is too much for what redden has done this year.If not, then its been about 2.5. So if redden's pay cut is 1 or 2 million at 4.5-5.5 range then i still say no thanks.

[rose]

But how much of a pay cut? Will he sign here at 2-3 million a year? I mean we thought corvo was overpriced at 2.5 and corvo and redden have been comparable this year. That means 2.5 is too much for what redden has done this year.If not, then its been about 2.5. So if redden's pay cut is 1 or 2 million at 4.5-5.5 range then i still say no thanks.

You lost me at "corvo and redden have been comparable this year".  As a result, I did not read the rest of your post.

[work2play]

To compare Corvo and Redden is laughable.  Redden may have his lapses defensively, Corvo is absolutely clueless in his own end of the ice.

Can Wade play better than he has the past two years since he signed his big $$$ contract?  We all know he can, we've seen it!  Those of you that want him gone at any price are going to be pretty upset if he regains his top form somewhere else next year.

Hometown discount?  First of all, Wade's home town is out west.  Second, if he was really going to give the Senators a discount he would have signed Muckler's original offer of $6-million/year.  Sure he could have gotten more from a desperate bottom feeder team.  But then no Cup run for him last year.  He chose not to fully test the market to ensure he could stay with a contender.  I know that when I was contracting I turned down more money in some cases to work on projects that were more interesting, had better technology, and where I would learn more.   It's not always about the $$$.

On the topic of people getting fired.  If anyone deserves to get fired it's the person that leaked this to the press.  Don't know about any of you; but if I leak internal company information and they find out, then you can be sure they would be appearing at my office door to escort me out of the building.  But you can not compare those of us with salary jobs to a professional athlete.  They are essentially sub-contractors, not employees.   As a sub contractor they can get rid of Redden any time they like (waivers), but they still have to pay out his contract.  What is comparable here is not employment law, it's contract law.  By refusing to waive his NTC he is executing a clause in his contract.  A contract that he and the Senators signed in good faith.

Those of you that want Redden gone at any cost, please tell me who is going to fill his minutes and QB the PP?  There certainly isn't anyone on the Sens roster now that could fill those minutes or that role as well as Redden does, even if Wade has not been at the top of his game.

Am I frustrated by Redden not playing as well as we all know he can?  Absolutely!  I don't think any of us that bleed Senators colours aren't. 

I have my doubts that Redden will be a Senator next year,even if he is willing to sign a contract at a much more reasonable cap number.  I just don't think Murray is that interested in bringing Wade back, which is why he's listening to offers and asking Wade to waive his NTC.  Murray is simply trying to get something for a player he knows has value and will be gone for nothing this summer.  When that happens, unless Murray can sign another defenceman that can move the puck and QB the PP the way Redden can, then Ottawa will not have as good a team next year.

[rose]

^^^   Exactly right in my books!  I, too, wish for the form of Redden of a few years back.  However, what he still has will be missed when he leaves and put to good use elsewhere.  And, whether or not others agree, his value to the community has had HUGE upside in Ottawa since he arrived.  It definitely does not mean anything on the scoreboard at the rink, but it has paid huge dividends for those whose lives he has touched.  If only he got as much press for his good deeds as others do on this Team. (Although he is just fine out of the spotlight, he doesn't seek it for his good works.).

Excellent post work2play!! 

[go_sens_go55555]

You lost me at "corvo and redden have been comparable this year". As a result, I did not read the rest of your post.

Too bad you couldn't read my second, and last line. See,once again i'm thinking business. Arbitrators look at stats given. Now look at redden and corvo's numbers. Redden's are slightly better. Redden also gets more icetime. If corvo got the same amount of time as redden, he would have more points.

Redden>corvo in defensive zone.
corvo>redden offensive zone.

The money goes to offense first,then it goes to defense.

Put almost any slightly offensive defensemen in reddens skates this year, and they would have about the same stats. Problem is they aren't getting 6.5 million.

[work2play]

And, whether or not others agree, his value to the community has had HUGE upside in Ottawa since he arrived.  It definitely does not mean anything on the scoreboard at the rink, but it has paid huge dividends for those whose lives he has touched.  If only he got as much press for his good deeds as others do on this Team. (Although he is just fine out of the spotlight, he doesn't seek it for his good works.).

Not living in the Ottawa region I had no idea that Wade was that involved in the community.  Not that we get that much Senators news here in LeafLand about what the Ottawa players do off the ice, but we do hear a little.  I don't think I've ever heard Redden's community work off the ice mentioned.  Of course your right that it means nothing on the ice or the scoreboard.

[gared66]

Except that if they trade him they won't be getter a better defensemen...so how do they improve at the deadline? In fact, if they traded him they might as well forget about the cup as Carle or any other defensemen would not get them there and they would be giving up for next year IMO.

I don't agree. Brian Campbell seems to be available, your looking at it from a salary or star based point of view, as to how he can be replaced. I don't want an offensive defensemen. There are many unheralded low paid good defensive defensemen in this league, and I want one of them to take redden's spot. And some will be available. I just want a lunch pail guy who does the little things right on the defensive side of the puck. Let the offense carry the scoring, especially on this team. I'm tired of the defensive gaffes.

I can't believe how many redden apologists there are on this forum. I just can't. You must not be seeing what I'm seeing. He negotiated his right not to waive the ntc, I understand... I just don't see how it was beneficial for either party. For that matter, I don't want to resign redden even at a stanley cup discount. I want a defensive core like anaheim's, big and mean. Redden doesn't fit into that formula.

[ladybugblue2002]

Um, no, many did say it was a home town discount including in the press and the media saying he could have gotten 7 or maybe even 7.5 on the open market. Imagine 7.5 for redden...I would shoot myself just watching the game.

So the media saying it makes it true now? He didn't take a discount. The sens didn't want to lose both Redden and Chara for nothing...so he signed with the team when he could have gone elsewhere. Just because you say he took a discount doesn't make it true.

[Broken Bones]

Redden has been playing well as of late yet nobody seems to give the guy any credit for that, but rather just trying to find the bad. Hell, I am surprised there isn't a new thread jumping on Redden for the one minor mistake he had when the puck jumped over his stick and he then lost the foot race it it afterwards.

[Dagwood]

Redden has been playing well as of late yet nobody seems to give the guy any credit for that, but rather just trying to find the bad. Hell, I am surprised there isn't a new thread jumping on Redden for the one minor mistake he had when the puck jumped over his stick and he then lost the foot race it it afterwards.

Well, now that you mention it   
I only caught the 3rd period last night and that's what I saw.

Anyway... I would say if Redden were to take the equivilent of what Kaberle is making (4ish, I think)...that would be fair.  I just don't think Redden is a clutch player....not since signing the 6.5 million deal he is currently getting.
He just looks uncomfortable on the ice these days.  struggling...trying to not make mistakes....
Give him average pay...take the pressure off him in terms of playing to match the salary and he'll turn things around.

[rose]

Not living in the Ottawa region I had no idea that Wade was that involved in the community.  Not that we get that much Senators news here in LeafLand about what the Ottawa players do off the ice, but we do hear a little.  I don't think I've ever heard Redden's community work off the ice mentioned.  Of course your right that it means nothing on the ice or the scoreboard.

I know that many, many players, here and all around the League, do lots for their communities.  And I have heard many sportscasters say that hockey players are amazing with their good will (but good news does not sell newspapers, so most of us have no idea of all that is done...for players in any league).  But in the case of Wade, he bought a luxury box (at the lowest level, I do believe) his first season here and has maintained it since and it is used exclusively for sick kids, shut in at the Children's Hospital of Eastern Ontario.  Every game, including playoffs, these kids are chauffeured to the rink, have all their favourite (and permitted) foods in the suite and with the appropriate staff for the ones who are most ill.  He buys paraphernalia for them all too.  He has been doing this for eleven years!  He has worked it out with Staff at the hospital and they select the kids who go, etc.  He also arranges for autographed stuff for the kids from their favourite players.  He often goes over to the hospital for private visits with the kids and staff that I know who work there say that although many of the Sens are involved with the facility, Wade is the most involved.  There is a wall that a large mural was made for Wade as a tribute to all he has done for the kids there and it is lovely!

He has also been the "honourary" chairman of the Sixty-Five Roses chapter in this city for a long, long time.  That is the cystic fibrosis association and although it was started many years ago with a former Ottawa Rough Rider as the honourary chair, when the Riders ran into difficulties, Wade was here and he stepped up big time.  He is an extremely active "honourary" chair for this group and I have seen him at galas lending his time and his name to bring in not only his team-mates but draw people to the cause.

Those are but two of the good causes that he has participated in but he is seen far and wide in the region and, as I mentioned before, many of the other Sens are quite involved as well but, when it comes to leadership, I do believe that Wade has been a major motivator in getting his mates involved.

Not a reason to keep him as a member of the team, I realize.  But certainly would be a huge loss to the community if he ever leaves.  I have seen what he has done and I will always cheer him on, wherever he goes, for all the good that he has done in this community.

Well, now that you mention it   
I only caught the 3rd period last night and that's what I saw.

Anyway... I would say if Redden were to take the equivilent of what Kaberle is making (4ish, I think)...that would be fair.  I just don't think Redden is a clutch player....not since signing the 6.5 million deal he is currently getting.
He just looks uncomfortable on the ice these days.  struggling...trying to not make mistakes....
Give him average pay...take the pressure off him in terms of playing to match the salary and he'll turn things around.

Excellent post and great point!  I was at the game last night and I thought Wade had an excellent game other than that hiccup!  I am hopeful that he will get his 'game' back.  I personally would love to see him stay here, but I know that realistically that likely will not be the case.