Topic: My hypothetical trade

[PuckFancy]

How about a deal with the B's? They need scoring big time and have some guys who I would love to see in Ottawa... They also have a lot of goalies with Fernandez, Thomas, and Rask all capable #1 goalies. They've also got Auld who is a capable backup.

Spezza + Meszaros

for

Lucic + Alberts + Thomas/Fernandez

Horrible trade!

I understand you were trying to make a point rather than a realistic trade, but as it's been mentionned, we'd need another #1 center heading back our way. Otherwise we're a tough team with nobody to create offense.

[moxie]

Yeah the weak C free agent pool could really help us get the most value out of a Spezza trade, though.

[Ziggy]

I didn't read this thread but how's this for a proposal?

Vermette
Mezsaros

for Boumeester and a third round pick or something.

[moxie]

I didn't read this thread but how's this for a proposal?

Vermette
Mezsaros

for Boumeester and a third round pick or something.

I'd rather make a pitch for a guy like Jovocop or Boynton. Bowmeesster is interesting though since he hasn't reached his potential. Still, I'd much prefer a tough leadership type guy in place of Meszaros.

[go_sens_go55555]

I'd rather make a pitch for a guy like Jovocop or Boynton. Bowmeesster is interesting though since he hasn't reached his potential. Still, I'd much prefer a tough leadership type guy in place of Meszaros.

I know bouwmeester is developing a little slower then people would hope but i would much rather have him then the older boynton or jovo.

[p-dogger]

This is about making changes, because while Spezza has padded numbers from series' that we have coasted through, he absolutely disappears when it matters, when it gets tough. Our current approach to hockey simply does not work. Getting rid of Spezza is the most important part of turning this team into a team that can play a strong two way game.

So, you give Spezza no credit for anything he did in last year's playoffs, and then seemingly blame him for EVERYTHING this year? Makes no sense.

And by the way, this team was built on two-way hockey. Guys like Alfie, Fisher, Vermette and Kelly are from the Jacques Martin School of Hockey. I don't think the ENTIRE team needs to be made up of two-way guys.

Every contending team needs its snipers. We've got two that are among the best in the league.

How many 100 point guys do you need on a team?? You need guys who can play a physical 2 way game and can put the puck in the net as well. The Cup is not awarded to the team with the most 6 million dollar players.

If you are a team fortunate to have 2 or 3 guys that come close to 100 points in a season, YOU DON'T TRADE THEM AWAY FOR MEDIOCRE 'ENERGY' PLAYERS!

And by the way, look at the Stanley Cup Final:

DET - Datsyuk 97 pts, Zetterberg 93 pts
PIT - Malkin 106 pts, Crosby 72 pts (53 games), Hossa 66 pts (72 games)

Would you say either of those teams have too many 100-point guys?

No offense, but this argument is pretty darn weak.

[go_sens_go55555]

If you are a team fortunate to have 2 or 3 guys that come close to 100 points in a season, YOU DON'T TRADE THEM AWAY FOR MEDIOCRE 'ENERGY' PLAYERS!

And by the way, look at the Stanley Cup Final:

DET - Datsyuk 97 pts, Zetterberg 93 pts
PIT - Malkin 106 pts, Crosby 72 pts (53 games), Hossa 66 pts (72 games)

Would you say either of those teams have too many 100-point guys?

No offense, but this argument is pretty darn weak.

Yeah seriously, that argument is weak. Hell, if you can give me six 100 point guys, give them to all to me! I'll have fun dominating teams 8-2 and outshooting them 51-17.


Having many stars is a luxury, learn to build around them instead of trading them for peices that were part of the "building around" cuz then you got no stars left.Then you're left with checkers filling in scoring positions(fisher). Heatley and alfredsson won't win the cup alone. We need another top flight guy who can just randomly dominate at times.

[moxie]

Yeah, that's exactly what I suggested. Trading Spezza for "mediocre energy players."   

[Sugar J.Hyde]

No you trade him for first line talent

[go_sens_go55555]

Yeah, that's exactly what I suggested. Trading Spezza for "mediocre energy players."   

Arnott isn't neccesarily grade A talent either. He's secondary scoring. We need to add secondary scoring to compliment our primary scoring, not trade away our primary scoring for secondary scoring! Give your head a shake!

[moxie]

Give MY head a shake? How old are you, 13? Did I say trade Spezza for Arnott straight up? No, I didn't. I am not even going to reply to you anymore so save it.

[go_sens_go55555]

not straight up eh? If you add a crappy defensemen going our way, and then it becomes genius,right? ok...

And nice diss..."what are you,13?"... What are you? a 25 year old with no disses in his pockets to even be able to diss a "suspected" 13 year old.

[moxie]

Who am I talking to, Carlton Banks?

Seriously, it is painfully clear that you don't know anything about the league in general outside of the Ottawa Senators, so please do yourself a favour and refrain from adding such timeless proverbs as "You can't teach O but you can teach D." Show some respect to the great players out there and try putting away the Jason Spezza pyjamas for a little while kiddo. Once your grasp of the game extends beyond typing a player's name into hockeydb and then bad mouthing him for no reason then that's great, but just because you've never watched another team in the league or heard anything but a bunch of bush league local broadcasters masturbating over Spezza doesn't give you the right to speak bad about a guy like De Vries. It does no more than speak volumes about your foolishness. I can appreciate your passion as a "fan" but give it a rest already.

[PiePants]

And nice diss..."what are you,13?"... What are you? a 25 year old with no disses in his pockets to even be able to diss a "suspected" 13 year old.

Hey, don't go insulting us 25 year olds.

Seriously, it is painfully clear that you don't know anything about the league in general outside of the Ottawa Senators

Based on what proof exactly?

so please do yourself a favour and refrain from adding such timeless proverbs as "You can't teach O but you can teach D

Then show me examples of players that were piss poor offensively in Junior, or in any other league before they got to the NHL and developed to be an NHL offensive star.

Show some respect to the great players out there and try putting away the Jason Spezza pyjamas for a little while kiddo.  Once your grasp of the game extends beyond typing a player's name into hockeydb and then bad mouthing him for no reason then that's great, but just because you've never watched another team in the league or heard anything but a bunch of bush league local broadcasters masturbating over Spezza doesn't give you the right to speak bad about a guy like De Vries

So if his assessment on Greg De Vries disagrees with your own assessment, it automatically means he doesn't know what's he talking about, only follows the Sens, and is a puppet to the Ottawa media, despite you having no facts to backup your claim that he doesn't know anything about hockey outside Ottawa?  Right.  Instead of actually providing valid arguments on the topics at hand (such as the qualifications of players like De Vries and Arnott) to support your case, you've resulted in nothing less then personal attacks on posters, and claimed they don't know hockey, or aren't real hockey fans.  If a player, or a team doesn't fit your vision of what you consider to be a "real" hockey player or team, then you automatically dismiss their accomplishments because it doesn't fit what your vision of hockey should be.

[go_sens_go55555]

Owned.

[go_sens_go55555]

Who am I talking to, Carlton Banks?

Seriously, it is painfully clear that you don't know anything about the league in general outside of the Ottawa Senators, so please do yourself a favour and refrain from adding such timeless proverbs as "You can't teach O but you can teach D." Show some respect to the great players out there and try putting away the Jason Spezza pyjamas for a little while kiddo. Once your grasp of the game extends beyond typing a player's name into hockeydb and then bad mouthing him for no reason then that's great, but just because you've never watched another team in the league or heard anything but a bunch of bush league local broadcasters masturbating over Spezza doesn't give you the right to speak bad about a guy like De Vries. It does no more than speak volumes about your foolishness. I can appreciate your passion as a "fan" but give it a rest already.

What is that ice cream truck doing parked outside my house at night?- hey...how do you know so much about me? Spying on 13 year old boys are we?

Seriously, you really just rambled on a little story of what you think i am without being even close...starting with my age... How about you try adding to the hockey discussions instead of spewing out random attacks at people threw your keyboard.

As for my "you can't teach o,but you can teach d", it has merit. Being in a good position defensively is what it takes. That can be tought. Offense isn't about just being in good positions. It requires alot more skill. You can't teach vision. You can't teach creativity. Even improving stickhandling,passing,shooting has its limits. You're either a good shooter or not, good stickhandler or not, and so on.

It's alot easier to get an offensive player to sit back and play well defensively then it is to tell a guy like volchenkov to go and create chances in the offensive zone.

Show some respect to the great players out there? De vries or arnott are great? haha and im the one who doesn't know anything about hockey.

You seemed to like to bring in masterbation into a hockeyboard somehow...to go back to that...what are your wet...thoughts on devries and arnott at the moment? You seem in love with them. Atleast im talking highly of a star, not a 4-5th defensemen and a second liner.

[Metalhawk]

Careful guys or I'll have to bring the paddle. 

[go_sens_go55555]

yes sir.

[sensfan1984]

Careful guys or I'll have to bring the paddle. 

Now things are getting kinky [/German guy in supertroopers]

[1st rounder]

I didn't read this thread but how's this for a proposal?

Vermette
Mezsaros

for Boumeester and a third round pick or something.

Way too high a price, throw in Nathan Horton, then you might have something.