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Offline s3nsfan75

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Who's Next
« on: August 30, 2008, 10:18:08 PM »
So seeing as we (Bryan Murray and the Sens) figured out the Meszaros problem.  Do you think they stay with the status quo.  Seeing as we still have 7 million in available cap space there is tons of money for a second line centre, the likes of which we haven't had in a long time.  So here's the question does bryan murray stay with what he has now and see how things progress through the season or does he go hunting for that illustrious second liner that eluded us in the '07 finals. 

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Re: Who's Next
« Reply #1 on: August 30, 2008, 10:35:30 PM »
He goes.....

Quote from: sensfaction on August 30, 2008, 10:18:08 PM
hunting for that illustrious second liner that eluded us in the '07 finals. 

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Re: Who's Next
« Reply #2 on: August 30, 2008, 10:35:48 PM »
Assuming $2 million for injuries, that's still $5 million, and I think Murray has something up his sleeve, regardless of what he says in the press. He's been very smart in the off-season by not jumping on the crazy-money bandwagon like half the GMs out there, and I'm sure there's a few very good second line players still on the market (I'll let others bring up the list  :smily1263: ).

Melnyk has always said he's willing to spend to the cap, so I don't see this year as being any different.
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« Reply #3 on: August 30, 2008, 10:42:43 PM »
I was thinking he should be looking at about 4.5 MH but I agree with you.  If anyone has a list of available UFA's I'd love to see it.
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Re: Who's Next
« Reply #4 on: August 30, 2008, 10:54:16 PM »
Really not a whole helluva lot at center except for Vasicek and Smolinski.  We may now have the cap space to bid for Sundin though...I know, I know he's not coming here.

I think Murray is going to see what he has heading into training camp and then he'll use one of his two 1 st rounders to help patch any holes he feels are in the lineup.  The most obvious would be the 2nd line center position, but I'm sure that Murray has a couple of ideas on what he wants to do about that one.

He's done a great job so far IMO, and I trust he'll continue.
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Re: Who's Next
« Reply #5 on: August 30, 2008, 10:58:29 PM »
I don't think we have that much... by my calculations we have about 5 million total, if we dress the minimum number of players... that should be enough to sign, say, Glen Murray or Mark Parrish, and keep the buffer zone... far as I know, those two and Brendan Shanahan are the only "second liners" left on the market (and i'm not sure which if any still qualify as that)

I don't know of anyone who fits that bill who would be on the trade market at this point in the season... maybe around halfway through, we might be able to get that elusive second line guy... there's no doubt Murray's got his ear open

personally, i wouldn't mind seeing us leave some space available for next summer so we can put ourselves in the Bouwmeester sweepstakes of the deadline/offseason... i'm not sure i'd want to pay what he might command on the open market, but if we were able to bring him in at the deadline, we could maybe get him to sign on for less...

oh yeah, more importantly, we'll need cap space for a goalie
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Re: Who's Next
« Reply #6 on: August 30, 2008, 11:21:08 PM »
Quote from: FrequentVisitor on August 30, 2008, 10:35:30 PM
He goes.....


That's a statement of wisdom if I've ever seen one,  right cause we had no problem with secondary scoring in the finals  as well as last year.  He of all mighty wisdom, look forward into your crystal ball and enlighten us with all your knowledge
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Re: Who's Next
« Reply #7 on: August 30, 2008, 11:26:40 PM »
Quote from: sensfaction on August 30, 2008, 11:21:08 PM
That's a statement of wisdom if I've ever seen one,  right cause we had no problem with secondary scoring in the finals  as well as last year.  He of all mighty wisdom, look forward into your crystal ball and enlighten us with all your knowledge

You gave two options and I agreed with one of them.  What's your friggin' problem?
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Re: Who's Next
« Reply #8 on: August 30, 2008, 11:31:04 PM »
i stand corrected i misinterpreted your post...my apologies
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Re: Who's Next
« Reply #9 on: August 30, 2008, 11:33:29 PM »
Not a problem.....    :)
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Re: Who's Next
« Reply #10 on: August 30, 2008, 11:53:00 PM »
I think he might go for a forward, but I'm thinking it's more likely to be a winger.  Based on the contract that Vermette signed, it seems to me that their intention will be to give him a shot at being a 2nd line centreman.  I think he'll try to find someone to play alongside Heatley and Spezza, and Alfie will start the season with Vermette.  Just my 2 cents, but if there's a move left here, I think that's what it is. 

My proposal is still to go for Shanahan, but if he's going to trade, let's say, hmmmmmm......

How about that 1st rounder they got today from Tampa, along with Schubert, to LA for Dustin Brown?  Pure imagination on my part, and there's no way that LA would part with a guy like Brown.  So, because I've posted it here, it's going to be an E3 tomorrow on hockeybuzz.  Didn't you know that I'm one of his "sources", because I can make up a trade?
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Re: Who's Next
« Reply #11 on: August 31, 2008, 12:00:31 AM »
Quote from: extraSENSory on August 30, 2008, 10:58:29 PM
personally, i wouldn't mind seeing us leave some space available for next summer so we can put ourselves in the Bouwmeester sweepstakes of the deadline/offseason... i'm not sure i'd want to pay what he might command on the open market, but if we were able to bring him in at the deadline, we could maybe get him to sign on for less...

oh yeah, more importantly, we'll need cap space for a goalie

It doesn't have to be one or the other. Sign a player like Shanahan to a 1 year contract, and you'll still have your cap space next summer.
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Re: Who's Next
« Reply #12 on: August 31, 2008, 08:07:12 AM »
Quote from: extraSENSory on August 30, 2008, 10:58:29 PM
oh yeah, more importantly, we'll need cap space for a goalie
Yes we will most definitely need a goalie however I'm not sure I'm liking the list of free agent goalies next summer

Fernandez, Manny  34 BOS G UFA 4.333 4.750
Thomas, Tim  35 BOS G UFA 1.100 1.100
Khabibulin, Nikolai  36 CHI G UFA 6.750 6.750
Norrena, Fredrik  35 CLB G UFA 0.850 0.900
Raycroft, Andrew  29 COL G UFA 0.800 0.800
Conklin, Ty  33 DET G UFA 0.750 0.750
Garon, Mathieu  31 EDM G UFA 1.100 1.000
Roloson, Dwayne  39 EDM G UFA 3.667 3.000
Anderson, Craig  28 FLA G UFA 0.550 0.575
Labarbera, Jason  29 LAK G UFA 0.825 0.850
Backstrom, Niklas  31 MIN G UFA 3.100 3.100
Schaefer, Nolan  29 MIN G UFA 0.575 0.600
Denis, Marc  31 MTL G UFA 0.000   
Weekes, Kevin  34 NJD G UFA 0.688 0.700
MacDonald, Joey  29 NYI G UFA 0.487 0.500
Valiquette, Stephen  31 NYR G UFA 0.725 0.725
Gerber, Martin  34 OTT G UFA 3.700 3.700
Biron, Martin  31 PHI G UFA 3.500 3.500
Niittymaki, Antero  29 PHI G UFA 1.225 1.375
Tellqvist, Mikael  29 PHX G UFA 0.800 0.800
Sabourin, Dany  28 PIT G UFA 0.512 0.525
Boucher, Brian  32 SJS G UFA 0.650 0.650
Legace, Manny  36 STL G UFA 2.150 2.500
Kolzig, Olaf  39 TBL G UFA 1.500 1.500
Joseph, Curtis  42 TOR G UFA 0.700 0.700
Sanford, Curtis  29 VAN G UFA 0.650 0.650
Johnson, Brent  32 WAS G UFA 0.812 0.825
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Re: Who's Next
« Reply #13 on: August 31, 2008, 08:26:06 AM »
There are a number of teams over the salary cap who will need to make some moves and Murray is in now in an excellent position to go that route. 
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Re: Who's Next
« Reply #14 on: August 31, 2008, 04:38:27 PM »
Its true we still need a new goaltender even though gerber is pretty good but we need someone better than him if we wanna win the stanley cup
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Re: Who's Next
« Reply #15 on: August 31, 2008, 06:18:03 PM »
Quote from: OS on August 31, 2008, 08:26:06 AM
There are a number of teams over the salary cap who will need to make some moves and Murray is in now in an excellent position to go that route. 

Over or close to the ceiling:

Anaheim - 8 forwards will be UFA after this season
Washington -  deep at centre...although a lot of young players they won't want to part with
Calgary - built to win this year...don't see them giving up to much
Philadelphia - loaded at forward...maybe they would part with Knuble?
Chicago - probably too much invested on the blueline...Seabrook's name keeps coming up
San Jose - can't see anything great here..
New York Rangers - waiting for Sundin??  anything's possible if he signs in NYC
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Re: Who's Next
« Reply #16 on: August 31, 2008, 06:30:02 PM »
Quote from: Metalhawk on August 31, 2008, 12:00:31 AM
It doesn't have to be one or the other. Sign a player like Shanahan to a 1 year contract, and you'll still have your cap space next summer.

no, i know, that's what i was getting at, sorry re-reading i didn't express that well, i just mean i'd rather he go the FA route, so we have room next summer than make a trade... of course if the trade knocked my socks off, like that Schubert + SJ pick for D. Brown (E4 now :D), well I could change my mind...
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« Reply #17 on: August 31, 2008, 06:37:14 PM »
Quote from: sensfaction on August 31, 2008, 08:07:12 AM
Yes we will most definitely need a goalie however I'm not sure I'm liking the list of free agent goalies next summer


You forgot Ray Emery :)

Yes, not the most inspiring list... but there really aren't many goalies better than the list likely to be available via trade in the near future either...

Actually, re-reading that list, if Niklas Backstrom were available, I would gladly take him! His availability will probably depend on Harding's season

otherwise, it may well be that resigning Gerber is the best option, which isn't necessarily a bad thing, IMO, depends how he does this season, i guess
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« Reply #18 on: August 31, 2008, 08:36:28 PM »
I think it depends on how well Auld does this season.  We can't forget that Murray is very high on Elliott and depending on how he does in Bingo and how Auld does this season, this could be Gerber's last season in Ottawa.
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« Reply #19 on: September 01, 2008, 12:19:42 AM »
Elliot will be in Ottawa next season full time IMO. Either as starter or backup
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