Topic: Game #74 Discussion ~ SENS vs Flyers ~ Tuesday Mar. 23

[playertobenamedlater]

I don't know if he should be saying that.  He does an awful lot of running around at people for someone who won't drop them.  In this situation, yeah he got the big powerplay and he did get jumped but I'm not big on him trying to kill people with hits and then not standing up when he's called out.

That being said though I still say Gagne was selfish and Carcillo I won't even bother discussing.  He's a nothing and shouldn't be whining about anything. 

Personally, I don't have a problem with the way he plays. He plays tough hockey within the rules, and shouldn't be expected to fight to defend himself for making hits. Hitting and getting hit is part of the game. If he was a db agitator type who didn't back it up, like a Matt Cooke or a Shawn Avery, then I'd have a problem with it.

[FV]

He just doesn't hit to remove someone from the puck.  He hits to hurt and if you're going to run around like that you should back it up.  Just my opinion.

[momr]

Personally, I don't have a problem with the way he plays. He plays tough hockey within the rules, and shouldn't be expected to fight to defend himself for making hits. Hitting and getting hit is part of the game. If he was a db agitator type who didn't back it up, like a Matt Cooke or a Shawn Avery, then I'd have a problem with it.

Most of the time I would agree with you - most of his hits are clean. The Gagne hit was borderline - a case can be made, and has been made here, for the call to go either way.  But once in awhile I would like to see him stand up for his right to hit the way he does.  I don't think sutton shies away from confrontation and he hits the same way.  Anybody know how many fights Sutton has had?

[FV]

Sutton's had 39 career fights, Volchy has had 2.

[Special J]

I don't know if he should be saying that.  He does an awful lot of running around at people for someone who won't drop them. 

Well he was much more diplomatic than I was.

[OS]

Funny how the newspaper articles are talking about hits the Flyers took and not the ones the Sens did. ie. elbow to A-Train's face and Karlsson from behind in to the boards.

As far as A-Train fighting.  He isn't a fighter, but he also is targetted for a lot of hits, and questionable ones as that.  He doesn't retaliate or whine, he sucks it up.  He gives hits that are there, and takes plenty back, and I can live with that.

[OS]

I slightly disagree only in that they are not scoring like they did.  Their aim is just off it seems as evidenced by the two goal posts on that 7 min PP. 
I do agree that they are playing with confidence and pride, except, honestly, Kovalev...  Like really, is there a class one can take on how to float like that?  I have never seen anything like that, and the fact he keeps getting ice time baffles me.  The only thing I can see is if you sit him he gets so mad that he literally stands in the same spot for his shifts.

I feel for Cullen, he's had some golden chances but just can't seem to bury em.  Hopefully it will come soon cause he's very good.
Sutton, I don't know if there's anything you can really say.  The way he stood up for Karlsson was beautiful tonight and that's what we need.

Anyway, hope they keep on rollin, seems like they're on the right track again, just need to score more, goalie can't get a shutout every night.

True, there was a bit more offense for a lot of the streak games. There were a number of close ones, and empty netters to pad out the scores to, but the guys were more dialed in to the net.  What I really liked last night was that they Sens were back to owning the front of their own net. 

[Jasonf6]

I don't know if he should be saying that.  He does an awful lot of running around at people for someone who won't drop them.  In this situation, yeah he got the big powerplay and he did get jumped but I'm not big on him trying to kill people with hits and then not standing up when he's called out.

That being said though I still say Gagne was selfish and Carcillo I won't even bother discussing.  He's a nothing and shouldn't be whining about anything. 

Stand up for throwing massive LEGAL hits?  You could argue that he hit Gagne from behind but Gagne TURNED HIS BACK  at the last second KNOWING Volchy was coming.  It's his own dumb fault for being smshed the way he was.  Im tired of guys turning their backs and then whining when they get nailed.

[PiePants]

Stand up for throwing massive LEGAL hits?  You could argue that he hit Gagne from behind but Gagne TURNED HIS BACK  at the last second KNOWING Volchy was coming.  It's his own dumb fault for being smshed the way he was.  Im tired of guys turning their backs and then whining when they get nailed.

The problem isn't that he's throwing legal or illegal hits, its that he's hitting to hurt and not backing it up by fighting.

[OS]

The problem isn't that he's throwing legal or illegal hits, its that he's hitting to hurt and not backing it up by fighting.

Most big hitting D don't drop the gloves much though.  Sitting out top 4 D for minutes is tough for a team.  How often does Pronger fight? 

[PiePants]

There's a difference between being a big hitting D, and running around hitting people to hurt.  I mean, Pronger is considered a dirty player, but if you look at his recent suspensions, they had nothing to do with actually running around and making big hits or getting out of position to make the big hits.  In the 06-07 playoffs, he got suspended for chasing the puck and putting Holmstrom into the boards.  Subsequently he got suspended again for his elbow on McAmmond, but he wasn't chasing him, he simply smashed him with his elbow.  Then a couple of years ago, he got suspended for stomping on a player after getting tangled up with him, and he wasn't going to get anything until a higher quality video of the incident surfaced.  Ultimately, Pronger has over 20 fighting majors to his credit, does Volchenkov have any?

[Jasonf6]

There's a difference between being a big hitting D, and running around hitting people to hurt.  I mean, Pronger is considered a dirty player, but if you look at his recent suspensions, they had nothing to do with actually running around and making big hits or getting out of position to make the big hits.  In the 06-07 playoffs, he got suspended for chasing the puck and putting Holmstrom into the boards.  Subsequently he got suspended again for his elbow on McAmmond, but he wasn't chasing him, he simply smashed him with his elbow.  Then a couple of years ago, he got suspended for stomping on a player after getting tangled up with him, and he wasn't going to get anything until a higher quality video of the incident surfaced.  Ultimately, Pronger has over 20 fighting majors to his credit, does Volchenkov have any?

Volchenkov doesn't "run around" trying to hurt people. He hits them and hits them hard when he has the opportunity.  You don't see him crossing the ice like Neil does in order to smoke someone.  It's the NHL, players hit HARD and often.  If you or they don't like it, watch/play another game. 

If you were expected to "fight" every time you threw a big and LEGAL hit most players would have a PS3 in the penalty box so they could play games because they fought after a hit.

[FV]

Nobody said you have to fight everytime you throw a legal hit Jason.  The guy hits to hurt.  Nobody said he was a goon or compared him to Bryan Marchment.  My problem is he takes runs at players but shys away after it.  You want to try to knock someone out of the game then back it up a little.  I don't really mind how he plays the game but he hurts players and never pays the piper.

Don't say people should watch or play another game.  That's BS.  You never played and I'm telling you if I smoked some guy like he does, legal or not, my first reaction would be to look around to see who's coming.

[Broken Bones]

I don't know if he should be saying that.  He does an awful lot of running around at people for someone who won't drop them.  In this situation, yeah he got the big powerplay and he did get jumped but I'm not big on him trying to kill people with hits and then not standing up when he's called out.

That being said though I still say Gagne was selfish and Carcillo I won't even bother discussing.  He's a nothing and shouldn't be whining about anything. 

I have a very hard time thinking of dirty hits made by Volchankov that require him "answering the call".  As mentioned numerous times as a pet peeve by a few others is when players initiate a fight after a solid yet clean check, to which I see no need to answer the call because the hit was clean.

Yes, sure, when you look at the hit last night it is very easy to conclude it was dirty and a hit from behind, but that is also when you watch the highlights which also slow it down to make it seem dirtier than it was.  The fact is that Volchankov was going in to make a clean hard hit and Gagne then foolishly decided to turn his back to him.  No matter Volchankov's attempts from that point he was still going to hit Gagne, it was unavoidable, the only other option would be for him to try to change direction and avoid any contact with Gagne, which would result in a ripping from the coach as Gagne was protecting the puck, and doing so would have taken all pressure off of him for a brief moment.

[Metalhawk]

And now the other Volchenkov hit that Flyers fans are bitching about. The supposed elbow to Carcillo. The slow motion (at about 1:10 in the video) shows the elbow was down and Carcillo's head collided with the number on Volchy's shoulder.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwMCX2bQkNc

[FV]

Don't confuse "clean" and "legal".  There is a difference.

The hit being legal or not is totally irrelevant.  If you see your linemate lying out cold on the ice do you really give a rats ass if it was a legal hit that put him there or an illegal hit?

Like I said before it's my opinion but if you want to run around trying to hurt other players then drop them on occasion.  

[classmate]

The only thing that matter to me last night was the fact that the Senators BEAT those FILTHY Flyers.         

                   

 

[FV]

^ Yup and as OS pointed out they beat them at their own game.   

[Broken Bones]

Don't confuse "clean" and "legal".  There is a difference.

The hit being legal or not is totally irrelevant.  If you see your linemate lying out cold on the ice do you really give a rats ass if it was a legal hit that put him there or an illegal hit?

Like I said before it's my opinion but if you want to run around trying to hurt other players then drop them on occasion.  

I get the main goal and intention of hitting is to separate player from puck.  Carcillo had his head down.  Volchankov did not come from behind, he came from an area that was in plain view, he didn't stride toward him but just used his momentum to make the hit.  Legal and Clean!

[Funky McBain]

Come on guys you can't surprised that Flyers fans are concentrating on the hits against, we're no different here don't think that we are.  Everyone loves their own team