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Re: Maybe it's time to boycott a specific as Gas company
« Reply #20 on: March 09, 2011, 10:38:45 PM »
$78 to fill our Odyssey on regular;  our Lexus-SUV only takes premium and I have no idea what it costs because Hubby looks after its 'feeding'!  Only upside is two of our three kids attend university out-of-town so the cars aren't driven as much!
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Re: Maybe it's time to boycott a specific as Gas company
« Reply #21 on: March 10, 2011, 10:23:21 AM »
Want to spend less on gas?  Drive less.  Seriously. That's the only thing what will work.  Or get a car that uses less.


I agree, and yet still people want to elect right wing ruling parties. There's way too much "people should work together to help each other, just as long as I don't have to". Funny old world.

Dalton gave us the single biggest price increase over the past year, but you go ahead and keep blaming whomever you like.
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Re: Maybe it's time to boycott a specific as Gas company
« Reply #22 on: March 10, 2011, 10:56:28 AM »
Dalton gave us the single biggest price increase over the past year, but you go ahead and keep blaming whomever you like.

That's a somewhat disingenuous response given it's very clear that my post was a general statement on right wing government rather than specifically on the gas price.

I'm not averse to paying taxes, in fact I'm very happy to pay taxes. I just need to be sure that they're being used for the right things i.e. the social welfare of all of us. I'm vehemently opposed in principle to an organisation of government that says that individuals are the best placed to spend their money on social welfare because, er, we aren't. We're best disposed to spend our money on our own welfare, not on that of society. The state is best placed to look after society, and in order to do that we need to give them money.

The f*** everyone else, it's all about me attitude of Conservative governing principles create division and a fragmentation of society's fabric that in the long run make everyone's life worse. If having to drive a more economical car or only having one winter holiday a year is the price we have to pay then I don't consider that too burdensome.
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Re: Maybe it's time to boycott a specific as Gas company
« Reply #23 on: March 10, 2011, 11:29:42 AM »
That's a somewhat disingenuous response given it's very clear that my post was a general statement on right wing government rather than specifically on the gas price.

I'm not averse to paying taxes, in fact I'm very happy to pay taxes. I just need to be sure that they're being used for the right things i.e. the social welfare of all of us. I'm vehemently opposed in principle to an organisation of government that says that individuals are the best placed to spend their money on social welfare because, er, we aren't. We're best disposed to spend our money on our own welfare, not on that of society. The state is best placed to look after society, and in order to do that we need to give them money.

The f*** everyone else, it's all about me attitude of Conservative governing principles create division and a fragmentation of society's fabric that in the long run make everyone's life worse. If having to drive a more economical car or only having one winter holiday a year is the price we have to pay then I don't consider that too burdensome.

^^Amen.   :nod:
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Re: Maybe it's time to boycott a specific as Gas company
« Reply #24 on: March 10, 2011, 01:38:37 PM »
Well it was a thread on gas prices.  You sounded off on the government



Believers in the Nanny State think 'You're all too stupid to think for yourselves.  So we'll do it for you.  And don't ask questions.'

Actually I don't believe that.  But it makes about as much sense as accusing the other side believing 'The right is all about F everyone, I got mine.'

Unless they're U.S. Republicans of course.  ;)
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Re: Maybe it's time to boycott a specific as Gas company
« Reply #25 on: March 10, 2011, 02:16:15 PM »
Believers in the Nanny State think 'You're all too stupid to think for yourselves.  So we'll do it for you.  And don't ask questions.'

Actually I don't believe that.  But it makes about as much sense as accusing the other side believing 'The right is all about F everyone, I got mine.'

Unless they're U.S. Republicans of course.  ;)

See, now, you're completely misunderstanding my point. In fact, far from saying that I think people are too stupid to think for themselves, I said that people are too selfish to do anything but. It's human nature.

If the Government said to me, "Johnny, of the X thousand dollars you paid us in tax last year, we think it would be better if you took half of it back and made the decision for yourself what to do with it", what would you expect me to do?

For a start, I'd probably spend it on beer and a holiday, which is of zero use to anyone but me.

If I were a bit more responsible I might put it into my pension, which long term reduces some potential future burden on the state but is still essentially an entirely selfish action.

I might even decide to give some to my kids' school so they can buy some new books, and some to the local hospital that looked after my father-in-law when he had cancer. Which is a nice thing of me to do and good for the community, but essentially only helps the people in my immediate vicinity, who probably earn a similar amount to me and live a similar way of life to me.

Chances of me or anyone else giving that money to a school or hospital in a poorer district? Zero. Sure, you can make the argument that some will put it to their business and create employment opportunities for those people in said poorer districts thus helping them to be break free of the cycle of poverty, but good Liberal governments do that anyway in the form of subsidies and tax breaks for small business. And the truth is that when even basic infrastructure is insufficient to support a population, then the only thing that will fix it is investment of public money.

This is the problem with Conservative thinking, and why it is fatally flawed. It exists to help those in comfortable positions be more comfortable, and ensure that those in less comfortable positions stay in them. You can talk about reduced taxes providing economic boosts all you like, but some of the most advanced societies in the world like Sweden and Finland have been built upon socialist governments with a good blend of market economics. Meanwhile, 15% of the US population lives beneath the poverty line.

Conservative principles are not only bad for the poor, they're bad for society as a whole. The criticism of Liberal administrations use of tax revenues is often justified, but it doesn't mean that the principle isn't correct. In fact, I passionately believe that it is.
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Re: Maybe it's time to boycott a specific as Gas company
« Reply #26 on: March 10, 2011, 07:53:32 PM »
Yes, thank you, I understand the idea behind taxation.  At no time did I make an argument against it. 

It seems you may have misunderstood part of my point , which was that I can paint the other end too with some ridiculous statement, but that doesn't make it so.  Either extreme is ultimately destructive.

Being fiscally conservative doesn't mean being a Tea Party whacko going out to screw everyone.  I don't go crying for tax cuts, but I do have some expectations from politicians:
1.  Stop acting like the money is yours, not ours.
2.  Stop setting it on fire.
3.  Stop lying all the time.
4.  Get your house in order before you come looking for more.

I can usually get along fine with someone's principles left or right if they can follow that.  Though none of them seem to for very long.
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Re: Maybe it's time to boycott a specific as Gas company
« Reply #27 on: March 10, 2011, 08:26:40 PM »
You can be fiscally conservative yet still be socially responsible.  Society needs to help those in need.  Even Harper would tell you that.  I just want the government to be careful how they spend my money.  There is just so much waste on complete BS. 
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Re: Maybe it's time to boycott a specific as Gas company
« Reply #28 on: March 10, 2011, 08:34:13 PM »
I agree with both of those posts, sorry if I came across a bit preachy.

I don't feel that the Government we have currently in Canada is even remotely socially responsible though, I think that Harper is a hideously corrupt power junkie who has no place running the country.
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Re: Maybe it's time to boycott a specific as Gas company
« Reply #29 on: March 10, 2011, 08:40:14 PM »
As far as corrupt goes, Harper isn't even in the same league as Chretien.  That little prick should be in jail. 
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Re: Maybe it's time to boycott a specific as Gas company
« Reply #30 on: March 10, 2011, 08:53:48 PM »
I'll take your word for that. I can only speak of the current incumbent, I didn't live here under Chretien.
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