Author Topic: The Government of Canada is no more...... (Read 1639 times)

Johnny English · « **on:** March 05, 2011, 08:25:46 AM »

....... the Ministry of Truth has spoken.

http://www.thestar.com/iphone/news/canada/article/948436--tories-rebrand-government-of-canada-as-harper-government

Special J · « **Reply #1 on:** March 05, 2011, 10:34:44 AM »

Why not? The other parties have been calling it that for 5 years now, long before the Conservatives were. What? That's only allowed when they criticize? Oh.

For once they're all in agreement.

Ok. Ok. That was mildly sarcastic. I do actually have a problem with it. This type of arrogance is what can cost them an election.

Johnny English · « **Reply #2 on:** March 05, 2011, 11:48:12 AM »

I live in hope. Harper's a talented economist, but he's also a nasty prick who epitomises some of the worst elements of Conservatism. It's not quite Tea Party North, but way too close to libertarianism for my liking.

This was also an interesting article:

http://www.thestar.com/comment/article/613535

Metalhawk · « **Reply #3 on:** March 05, 2011, 02:55:41 PM »

When Harper's done talking, everyone must leave.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2011/03/05/pol-pmo-ignatieff.html

Special J · « **Reply #4 on:** March 05, 2011, 03:01:15 PM »

Harper learned dirty politics from the best: the Liberal Party.

Johnny English · « **Reply #5 on:** March 05, 2011, 05:11:20 PM »

Quote from: Special J on March 05, 2011, 03:01:15 PM

Harper learned dirty politics from the best: the Liberal Party.

Aw c'mon, no politician is above the odd dirty trick but Harper has taken it to a whole new level. The whole prorogation to avoid the vote of no confidence was one of the most disgusting abuses of Western democracy I've seen since Bush's stolen election, but it's only the tip of the iceberg. The man is evil.

Jasonf6 · « **Reply #6 on:** March 05, 2011, 05:12:40 PM »

Quote from: Johnny English on March 05, 2011, 05:11:20 PM

Aw c'mon, no politician is above the odd dirty trick but Harper has taken it to a whole new level. The whole prorogation to avoid the vote of no confidence was one of the most disgusting abuses of Western democracy I've seen since Bush's stolen election, but it's only the tip of the iceberg. The man is evil.

The Governor General should never have given consent. She should have dissolved parliament and put the opposition in power.

OS · « **Reply #7 on:** March 06, 2011, 03:37:47 PM »

Quote from: Johnny English on March 05, 2011, 05:11:20 PM

Aw c'mon, no politician is above the odd dirty trick but Harper has taken it to a whole new level. The whole prorogation to avoid the vote of no confidence was one of the most disgusting abuses of Western democracy I've seen since Bush's stolen election, but it's only the tip of the iceberg. The man is evil.

Not at all. The Liberal party did everything but have a guy in a white sheet burning crosses, with a Harper face mask. With Chretien they perfected the fear mongering campaign. the Cons of the day actually tried to talk about issues and got hammered. They learned. It's ugly, I don't like it but it did happen. If the Cons. had put Iggie as their leader, the Liberals would be all over "Iggy is a yank" and the Cons are "Whitehouse north". Unfortunately the Cons learned the hard way, and with ongoing minority governenments we have permanent campaign mode.

Once in power the difference between the two parties is minimal anyway. Pick that one that hurts your nose the least.

FV · « **Reply #8 on:** March 06, 2011, 06:06:21 PM »

I agree completely with OS. Wasn't it the Liberals that were getting Nazi's to sign up for the reform party and then leaking it to the press?

One topic I don't like to get into too much because people have such strong feelings. When the Liberals and NDP were trying to take power I thought it was horrible and it really bothered me to think we could end up with PM Dion.

But then there are people like JE and Jason that think Harper did something wrong. I usually try to avoid these discussions.

Metalhawk · « **Reply #9 on:** March 06, 2011, 06:24:23 PM »

Quote from: FV on March 06, 2011, 06:06:21 PM

But then there are people like JE and Jason that think Harper did something wrong. I usually try to avoid these discussions.

A comment like that is basically a hit and run...

FV · « **Reply #10 on:** March 06, 2011, 08:19:23 PM »

Why? I didn't drop out of the conversation. Just there are things that you should avoid talking about like politics and religion. As long as it stays civil which it usually does here but I've seen other discussion threads at other sites that get out of hand very quickly which I don't have the energy for.

Metalhawk · « **Reply #11 on:** March 06, 2011, 08:44:59 PM »

Sorry. That last comment had a "here's my opinion, you're wrong, now I'm not going to comment again" vibe to it.

Jasonf6 · « **Reply #12 on:** March 06, 2011, 08:47:00 PM »

Quote from: FV on March 06, 2011, 06:06:21 PM

I agree completely with OS. Wasn't it the Liberals that were getting Nazi's to sign up for the reform party and then leaking it to the press?

One topic I don't like to get into too much because people have such strong feelings. When the Liberals and NDP were trying to take power I thought it was horrible and it really bothered me to think we could end up with PM Dion. But then there are people like JE and Jason that think Harper did something wrong. I usually try to avoid these discussions.

I won't even go there FV because I respect ya but I will say that you are VERY wrong.

FV · « **Reply #13 on:** March 06, 2011, 08:50:40 PM »

What am I wrong about Jason?

Jasonf6 · « **Reply #14 on:** March 06, 2011, 08:54:42 PM »

Quote from: FV on March 06, 2011, 08:50:40 PM

What am I wrong about Jason?

Read your own post and you should know. Or did you just say that I would think Harper did something wrong just to put my name in there?

FV · « **Reply #15 on:** March 06, 2011, 09:02:21 PM »

You're answering a question with a question so I really don't know what you're talking about or why you are on the defensive. I put your name on it because you said, "The Governor General should never have given consent. She should have dissolved parliament and put the opposition in power" I didn't critisize you or say you were wrong, just that we had different opinions.

But, you came back that I am WRONG!! Interesting and a common theme when discussing politics. Personally I get that attitude from more left wing types but again, you may experience that from Conservatives. Which is why I don't generally bother with these conversations. I'm not going to change your way of thinking and I'm not going to bother trying. I'll just wait till the next election and let other Canadians decide.

Jasonf6 · « **Reply #16 on:** March 06, 2011, 09:12:13 PM »

True enough.

The reason I said that is because my boss has a LONG history in politics and even though he is a Liberal he knows what he is talking about. In that specific instance, Harper prorogued parliament so his party wouldn't have to face the opposition. The opposition is there for a reason and he skirted it.

Regardless of how I or we feel about the issue he never should have done it and she never should have allowed it. Her choices were to allow it or to put the opposition in power: She chose wrong.

FV · « **Reply #17 on:** March 06, 2011, 09:16:28 PM »

But if she had chosen the other option we would of had a coalition government that not one person in Canada voted for. Maybe if they want to play that game they should merge the NDP and the Liberals together before the next election. Just like the Reformers and Conservatives did when the Right vote was split.

Jasonf6 · « **Reply #18 on:** March 06, 2011, 09:18:24 PM »

Not true. You can't form a coalition without them being voted in but I know what you mean. It was a slim minority government anyhow so people did vote for them.

FV · « **Reply #19 on:** March 06, 2011, 09:21:52 PM »

I meant nobody voted for a combined Liberal, NDP and worst of all Separtist government. Just because you voted NDP doesn't mean you would have done so if it meant it was going to make Dion PM.