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Re: 2011/12 NHL general chat
« Reply #180 on: November 21, 2011, 01:13:56 PM »
I'm not getting into this with you, FV, but it's funny how players have been getting hurt for years without handwringing and soulsearching and the public debate about rule changes. I'm not necessarily making the argument that rules shouldn't be changed, that there shouldn't be more protection for players from blindside hits, hits to the head and hits when they're nowhere near the puck, but only the poster boy of the League could have induced this kind of debate.

Are you going to tell me that Wojtek Wolski would have only received two minutes as his total punishment had Crosby been the one on the end of his elbow the other week?
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« Reply #181 on: November 21, 2011, 01:48:40 PM »
What a bunch of nonsense.  Seriously, Crosby was injured Jan 1/2011.  The NHL was taking steps to eliminate hits to the head long before that. 
 
But, haters gotta hate.
 
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Re: 2011/12 NHL general chat
« Reply #182 on: November 21, 2011, 01:49:54 PM »
I think the hard look at head hits started with Marc Savard, not Crosby.  No question Crosby shone a brighter light on it, but is that a bad thing?


He'll have to take a shot to see if the league reacts differently with him vs. other players, but he hasn't enjoyed any special protection so far.
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Re: 2011/12 NHL general chat
« Reply #183 on: November 21, 2011, 02:03:53 PM »
People hate to Penguins in part because of Crosby.  I dare say they have a better fan base then even Ottawa.  Something like 250 straight sell out games.   :shock:   And it continues.  How many other places can say that?  Who here would not give their right arm to have Crosby on their team?  I have been to both the PNC Arena in Pittsburgh and Scotia Bank Place in Ottawa.  There is simply no comparison in my book.  PNC hands down.  And I'm talking fans alone and nothing else. 

I wish Crosby all the best in the world.  I guess I just can't understand all the hate on him.   :smily677:

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Re: 2011/12 NHL general chat
« Reply #184 on: November 21, 2011, 02:06:13 PM »
Start treatment happens in all leagues.  Just like some guys get some penalties as much as for who they are vs. what they do.

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« Reply #185 on: November 21, 2011, 02:28:29 PM »
Correct me if I'm wrong CM but don't the Pirates play at the PNC and the Pens at the CEC or am I trippin'?
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« Reply #186 on: November 21, 2011, 03:53:06 PM »
People hate to Penguins in part because of Crosby.  I dare say they have a better fan base then even Ottawa.  Something like 250 straight sell out games.   :shock:   And it continues.  How many other places can say that?  Who here would not give their right arm to have Crosby on their team?  I have been to both the PNC Arena in Pittsburgh and Scotia Bank Place in Ottawa.  There is simply no comparison in my book.  PNC hands down.  And I'm talking fans alone and nothing else. 

I wish Crosby all the best in the world.  I guess I just can't understand all the hate on him.   :smily677:

The Pens are a very well run organization.  I think the anti-Crosby stuff is mailny from when he was younger.  It's not as strong now.  I don'tknow anyone that is happy about him being out of the game witht he concussions for such a long time.  His comeback even made ESPN sports news, during their Sunday NFL morning show, and the NEVER touch hockey there.

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« Reply #187 on: November 21, 2011, 05:06:22 PM »
Correct me if I'm wrong CM but don't the Pirates play at the PNC and the Pens at the CEC or am I trippin'?

No I was tripping at the time.  ;) (wasn't as great as I was hoping it would be though  :laugh2: )  It is indeed the Consol Energy Center.  I've actually been to PNC Park too but the Pirates can't match the Penguins.  Thanks for keeping me honest FV!   :thumbsup:

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« Reply #188 on: November 21, 2011, 07:15:30 PM »
Wonder if the CBC will pick up the game and broadcast it coast to coast to coast?   :icon_hiding2:

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« Reply #189 on: November 21, 2011, 07:23:42 PM »
And he scores on his 3rd shift.   :icon_bowdown2:
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Re: 2011/12 NHL general chat
« Reply #190 on: November 22, 2011, 02:51:47 PM »
I don't hate Crosby.  Never have.  I did hate the whining he used to do when he first broke into the League to the refs whenever he thought he was garnering too much attention in any given night.  But he's over that now which likely came with age and maturity.  I do believe he is an exceptional hockey talent, no doubt about it, and very likely the penultimate player in the game today.  With that said, however, I really enjoy games that the Sens play against him IF they can shut him down....not because I dislike him, but it simply means that my team (aka the one I'm cheering for) shut him down and that is not an easy task.

I am not surprised, classmate, that the atmosphere in Pittsburgh's arena is better than Ottawa.  But I believe that Pittsburgh has a more "blue collar" fan base as opposed to Ottawa's.  In any sport, Ottawa has seldom been known for his raucousness.  It's not just hockey.  That's demographics and the people populating the area more than fanaticism, IMHO.

Seems to me that the Islanders backed off Sid the Kid last night for the most part...legal hits or otherwise.  Not to infer that he got four points - on five goals - because they "let him go" but he certainly seemed 'untouchable' for the most part and the two times there was contact on him, it was minor to minimal.  Of course, it was the Islanders and they are not exactly burning up the League or anything but I saw hits on other Penguins.  Although he could have simply been THAT good on the night....he is an amazing hockey player.  And good for him to have such a stellar night on his first outing back after a horrific injury.

And for the record....I was shocked that Steckel did not get extra-discipline (never mind he didn't even get a penalty, I don't think) on his original hit on Crosby back on January 1st.  But as the CBC showed last night, that outdoor "classic" was played in anything but classic conditions with all the rain, mushy ice, etc.  Frankly, Pittsburgh and Washington were likely lucky no one broke a leg or something!  But the refs had their hands full trying to keep track of why players were going down and, likely, maintaining their own (the refs) pace for the game in crappy conditions.  That game was, literally, an accident waiting to happen.  Awful that it turned into a train wreck for Crosby.

The Penguins play, I think, Columbus next and then Ottawa on Friday.  It will be interesting to see if Sid has to "fight through" more physical tests as the week goes on. 

P.S.:  I felt awful for the Isles' goaltender last night.  What a horrible way to play one's first NHL start!   :fear:
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« Reply #191 on: November 22, 2011, 03:03:28 PM »
Pittsburgh is not what can really be described as blue collar.  At least, not since the steel industry left town 30 something years ago.  It's actually very corporate now. 
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« Reply #192 on: November 22, 2011, 03:20:58 PM »
But I think the fanbase is still largely working class, which may be her point.

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« Reply #193 on: November 22, 2011, 03:44:23 PM »
But I think the fanbase is still largely working class, which may be her point.

 :icon_thankyou:   That is exactly what I meant.

Also...heard during the Sens/Canucks game that the Canucks have had nine straight years of sell-outs.  I was mildly surprised (since I don't tend to keep track of teams and their sell-outs records....more inclined to pay attention when I hear the Panthers are selling lower bowl tickets for $8.00 and are including a baseball cap with it along with free parking).
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« Reply #194 on: November 22, 2011, 03:51:11 PM »
I think cost of ticket determines what kind of crowd you have more than anything else.  Pittsburgh and Ottawa are about the same.  Biggest complaint of hockey fans in the GTA is the absurd cost of tickets.  Real fans don't get to sit in the good seats and taking your family to a game is next to impossible for most. 
 
The unfortunate part is all anyone sees on TV is the lower bowl which is empty half the time because the corporate suits are in a lounge somewhere eating sushi.  There are actually real fans higher up actually behaving like fans.
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« Reply #195 on: November 22, 2011, 03:58:28 PM »
FV, couldnt agree more.
I tried to get 2 tickets to see the Leafs and Sens 2 weeks ago and $190 was the best we could get in the 300's.
It sucks because the fans get pushed up due to corporate ticket holders. I hate that.

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« Reply #196 on: November 22, 2011, 04:09:28 PM »
Money talks....not what comes out of fans' mouths at games. 
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« Reply #197 on: November 23, 2011, 11:08:18 AM »
FV, couldnt agree more.
I tried to get 2 tickets to see the Leafs and Sens 2 weeks ago and $190 was the best we could get in the 300's.
It sucks because the fans get pushed up due to corporate ticket holders. I hate that.

Your lucky, you saved yourself $190.  :thumbsup:
 
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« Reply #198 on: November 23, 2011, 11:15:50 AM »
You know the buildings name is Maple Leaf Gardens right?  It's not Leafs.  I know you find the Leaves thing amusing for some reason, but using it in this context is just plain dumb. 
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« Reply #199 on: November 23, 2011, 11:17:15 AM »
you might have gotten heckled for wearing a Yashin jersey in Ottawa too.... lol